Royal Guard aiguillettes??

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Royal Guard aiguillettes??

Mesajde Ricardo » Dum, 26 Feb 2012 20:36

Hi all! These objects were found together near Odessa - in my opinion is the pommel of the Royal Guard aiguillettes and a pocket knife as a "small fish". These knives are in the form of "fish" were in use at that time. Sincerely, Ricardo.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/78012982.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/16461696.jpg/

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Re: Royal Guard aiguillettes??

Mesajde ionionescu » Lun, 27 Feb 2012 14:23

@Ricardo, as far as I know there was no Royal Guard unit sent to the front during WW2 (their job was to protect the King). The aiguillette ”nails” or ”pencils” (Romanian: cuie[\/i] or creioane[\/i] ) you found are simple (no decoration) thus they may belong to a solder or a NCO. The aiguillette was also worn by ”jandarmi[\/i]” (gendarmes) and ”grăniceri[\/i]” (border guard) units, this means your aiguillette ”nails” or ”pencils” could be of any of this troops. I haven't had the time to check what ”gendarmes” or ”border guard” units fought at Odessa but maybe someone can help you with more info. Regards!
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Re: Royal Guard aiguillettes??

Mesajde Ricardo » Lun, 27 Feb 2012 21:55

Thank you for your reply! In my view, we see the same "pencil" on the aiguillette of soldiers from the Palace Guard?
You write that the Guard did not took part in the battles of Odessa, and how did the 1st Guards Division?
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Re: Royal Guard aiguillettes??

Mesajde Ricardo » Lun, 27 Feb 2012 22:00

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/252/74341420.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/91986109j.jpg/
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Re: Royal Guard aiguillettes??

Mesajde ionionescu » Lun, 27 Feb 2012 23:41

[quote author=Ricardo link=1330281376/0#2 date=1330372543]Thank you for your reply! In my view, we see the same "pencil" on the aiguillette of soldiers from the Palace Guard?[/quote]
Yes, as far as I know the solder's or NCOs aiguillette ”pencil” was identical[\/u] for all units that wore aiguillettes, this means that the Royal Palace Guard Battalion had the same model aiguillette ”pencil”. Only that the Royal Palace Guard Battalion (renamed: Royal Guard Battalion from 15 August 1941) was not[\/u] sent to the front, their job was to protect the King.

[quote author=Ricardo link=1330281376/0#2 date=1330372543]You write that the Guard did not took part in the battles of Odessa, and how did the 1st Guards Division?[/quote]
The ”guard” units that took part in the Odessa campaign were:
- 1st Frontier-Guard Division - http://reocities.com/MotorCity/Freeway/7333/D1Gr.html
- 1st Guard Division - http://reocities.com/MotorCity/Freeway/7333/D1G.html
I think the aiguillette ”pencils” you found must be of one of the units listed above.
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Re: Royal Guard aiguillettes??

Mesajde stoica » Mie, 29 Feb 2012 00:47

Ricardo, the pocket knives in the shape of a fish were widely used by Romanian soldiers.
They came in different sizes. Here two different ones; the smaller one belonged to a Romanian Lieutenant who had made the trip to Stalingrad and back (Vasile Ionescu-Movila):

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I shall return with details on aiguillettes.
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Re: Royal Guard aiguillettes??

Mesajde Ricardo » Mie, 29 Feb 2012 08:23

[quote author=stoica link=1330281376/0#5 date=1330469252]Ricardo, the pocket knives in the shape of a fish were widely used by Romanian soldiers.
They came in different sizes. Here two different ones; the smaller one belonged to a Romanian Lieutenant who had made the trip to Stalingrad and back (Vasile Ionescu-Movila):

             Imagine

I shall return with details on aiguillettes.[/quote]


Thank you for your response - this information has enriched my knowledge on the history of the Romanian army! Special thanks for the photos. Best regards, Ricardo.

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Re: Royal Guard aiguillettes??

Mesajde stoica » Mar, 13 Mar 2012 09:17

Ricardo, I am sorry I have had no time to give you the information about the aiguillettes yet. I am still very busy at work. I suggest you try first to read what has already been posted at: http://www.traditia-militara.ro/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1326635092.

In the meantime, I show you images of some different models:

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These are parade uniforms of border guards 1934 - 1941. In the first picture you see King Carol II, honorary commander and owner of  Regiment 1 Border Guards - a Guard unit. He should have had the specific monogram on the helmet and his aiguillettes should have had one guilt cord and two light green ones, out of the total of three unbraided cords.

The form is very similar to the ones the Gendarmes wore, only these were white (officers silver):

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This is how the Royal Guard Battalion aiguillettes looked like - they were not abolished during the war:

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They were white and the three cords were braided. This battalion never saw fighting action at the front as a unit, although they had formed an operational one, but most of the members went to the front as voluntaries, requesting to be temporarily transferred to other front-line units.

Next, you can see the aiguillettes of another guard unit: 2nd Guards Flotilla, stationed in Cluj before 1940. They were known to have guilt braided aiguillettes, speckled with light blue, but here you can see one that is light blue speckled with gold (there is also a detail of the so-called "crayons"):

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The aiguillettes of the Royal Escort Regiment, renamed Royal Horse Guards, were braided gold, specled with black:

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It's interesting to notice that these specific crayons are topped by a royal crown, which means that the owner belonged to the Royal Adjutancy.

There is also the fourragere, braided, that encircled the left shoulder. It was made in the colors of  the ribbons of the specific orders that had been awarded to the unit's flag. Here you can see the Michael the Brave (Mihai Viteazul) fourragere, that was dark cherry, speckled with gold. It is on the uniform of a lieutenant of the 1st Mountain Battalion from Sinaia. It seems odd that the crayon has a crown.

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Re: Royal Guard aiguillettes??

Mesajde Ricardo » Sâm, 17 Mar 2012 21:48

Domnule stoica! Thanks for the interesting information about the aiguillettes. But it remains unclear to me - I have found near Odessa "pencil" aiguillettes is clearly visible in the photo of the Palace Guard soldiers, as it can be explained?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/2011120402soldatingarda.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/img029193906copy.jpg/

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/12/magureanvasilegardarega.jpg/
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Re: Royal Guard aiguillettes??

Mesajde stoica » Dum, 18 Mar 2012 22:43

Those aiguillettes could hardly have belonged to Palace Guards, since The Royal Guard Battalion had not been sent to the front.
The pencils or crayons most probably came from a Fourragere, or from a General Staff officer, or from the Aiguillettes of some other guard unit - the Guard Division participated in the battle for Odessa, as part of 1st Army Corps.
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